Every few months there is a story about an ‘outbreak’ that sparks off the vaccination debate, quite often more frequently. I follow a lot of different pages in regards to vaccines and I actually see articles on a daily basis about vaccines, quite often from both sides. Most of the time I can just let it slide past me as I know that I have made the right choice for my family, but sometimes…
The hardest for me are when people accuse me of endangering others, or when they assume that the only reason that I don’t vaccinate is because Jenny McCarthy told me not to.
That’s NOT true, on either account. The ‘endangering others’ I believe I covered before, so I’m not going to here, so let’s talk about the other.
The number one belief that pro-vaccine people have is that anti-vaccine people are afraid their children will become Autistic if they vaccinate (BTW, you may notice that that is the ONLY time any variation of the word Autism appears in this post). For most, this is the only reason they know of so they apply it to everyone.
That’s NOT true. It’s not true for us and it’s not true for many more.
Our reasons for not vaccinating are simple and strong.
We do not vaccinate for religious reasons.
I’ll say that again.
WE DO NOT VACCINATE FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS.
I’m sure many are confused, so let me elaborate. I’ve touched on some of this before (http://lboosmommy.wordpress.com/tag/vaccines/), but let me expand on that.
1 – There are many vaccines that were developed with the use of aborted fetal cells (notice I didn’t say “that contain aborted fetuses”). Look at this document from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf. Please note that this is a direct link found on the cdc.gov website, not something posted elsewhere. People always want links directly from the CDC, here you go. In the Contains column, any reference to MRC-5 or WI-38 means those aborted human fetal cells. (http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines – sadly the CDC seems to have removed their articles discussing this issue, but, I assure you, they used to be there). Also notice that there ARE references to the vaccines CONTAINING these cells, not just having been cultured on them.
For quick reference, here is a list of those vaccines:
- Varicella (Chicken Pox)
- MMRV (Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Varicella)
- Hep A / Hep B combo
- Hep A
- DTaP – IPV – Hib (Diptheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, Haemophilus influenzae type b)
It should be able to go without saying that my personal beliefs have a problem with this. But, just in case it’s not clear:
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.
Got it? Okay, moving on.
2 – Kind of a sub of #1, but did you notice the other animal cells / derivatives in the list? In case you didn’t:
- Bovine Casein (cow milk protein)
- Bovine protein
- Bovine extract
- Chicken embryo
- Chicken kidney cells
- Mouse brain culture
- Rhesus fetal lung tissue culture (rhesus monkey)
- Vero cell culture (monkey kidney cells)
Now, we’re not vegetarian or vegan, but this list should be of concern to people who are vegan and want nothing to do with animals in their products.
This brings me to:
3 – Thou shalt not lie
Okay, so the quote is actually “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour” but it is commonly interpreted as said.
You can argue that no one ever lied about the ingredients in vaccines, but I choose to argue that not disclosing this information so that those that need it can know is akin to lying about it.
Federal law says that Vaccine Information Statements must be handed out when vaccination is performed. Every. Single. Time. (http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2027.pdf)
I know that I personally have NOT received these for every vaccination for myself, nor for the few that my children received. Have you? Even if you have, there is a problem with them. Look at this one for Varicella (Chicken Pox): http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-varicella.pdf
You may remember from the list above that the Varicella vaccine is one that contains MRC-5 and other animal related ingredients:
sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, gelatin, monosodium L-glutamate, sodium
phosphate dibasic, potassium phosphate monobasic, potassium chloride,
sodium phosphate monobasic, EDTA, residual components of MRC-5
cells including DNA and protein, neomycin, fetal bovine serum, human
diploid cell cultures
This information should be in those VIS for vegans and people who follow religions regarding human cells and animal cells, but it isn’t. This is information that should be available to everyone, every time, so that they can make an informed choice. Since it’s not, too many people simply don’t have that option.
When people look at #1, they see that there ARE vaccines that are not associated with aborted fetal cells and they wonder why I don’t then go ahead and use those. To be honest, THIS is why. IF there was full disclosure in these mandatory VIS about ingredients in vaccines, then I might consider it. Until then…
To many this may seem petty. They see it as my endangering my children and others all because I don’t like being lied to. So, again, I point you to other posts I have made about vaccines in regards to the whole ‘endangering others’ thing – http://lboosmommy.wordpress.com/tag/vaccines/
A question that was posed to me recently is “Would there ever be a reason you would vaccinate?” Or, in other words, what would change my mind. The answer is simple and complex at the same time.
1 – No more aborted fetal cell lines. Re-develop the vaccines that used them FROM SCRATCH. That means start over, as if you were creating the vaccine the first time. It’s the closest thing to making it not have happened that can happen at this point. For those where there ARE alternatives (ie, instead of MMRV, the MMR and Varicella by them selves) take those out of rotation completely. Discontinue those vaccines. In some cases this is a simple as taking certain brands of vaccines out of the rotation and using other brands. Will is cost a crap ton of money? Maybe… but the vaccine industry is about saving lives, not money, so… anything that will get more people to vaccinate has to be worth the money.
2 – Full disclosure of ingredients. Those VIS are supposed to be used every time. For now, let’s assume they always will be. Let them include the list of ingredients. The FDA requires ingredients be listed on just about everything we put into our bodies from the grocery store, let’s do the same with things injected into our bodies by doctors. If there is too much concern about more people refusing vaccinations with this, maybe more vaccines need to be re-developed. There are vaccines that don’t include animal cultures (if I’m fully understanding the referenced list), so it must be possible to do so. Re-iterating what I said above, will is cost a crap ton of money? Maybe… but the vaccine industry is about saving lives, not money, so… anything that will get more people to vaccinate has to be worth the money.
3 – I guess this kind of goes with 2, but I really think there needs to be more independent (ie, not funded by the CDC, WHO, FDA or pharmaceutical companies) research on the safety of not only the vaccines as a whole, but on the safety of the individual ingredients, in the amounts used. I’ve seen too many statistics about the ‘small’ amount of mercury in vaccines that do contain it, and not enough about how those small amounts exceed established toxic levels. (Remember, mercury = thimerosal which IS listed in the referenced list on the CDC’s website for certain vaccines).
Vaccines with 1:10,000 or 0.01 percent Thimerosal have about 50 mg/L mercury, which exceeds the 0.2 mg/L hazardous waste toxicity characteristic regulatory level for mercury.
Aluminum has been linked to Alzheimer’s in the past and is a known neurotoxin. Unfortunately, there isn’t a lot of data as to how much aluminum is contained in a vaccine. It’s considered a trade secret and therefore protected. It’d be like saying “we can’t tell you how much mercury is in our canned tuna, it’s a trade secret”.
There are many more ingredients that are concerning and not fully disclosed like MSG, formalin, and various antibiotics. People need to know what they’re dealing with to really be able to make an informed decision. Antibiotics are of special concern due to the apparent upswing in antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria. I think it needs to be considered whether antibiotics in vaccinations have contributed to that.
4 – Effectiveness: Time and time again vaccine preventable diseases pop up in populations where there was a high rate of vaccination. Vaccines just don’t seem to be as effective and therefore as necessary as all the popular literature says. If a middle school in Texas can have a 99% vaccination rate and children there can still contract measles, something has to be not working right. In the ‘great pertussis outbreak’ in California, a favorite among pro-vaccinators, a staggering number of those who were diagnosed with pertussis were considered up-to-date on their vaccines. If it could be proven unequivocally that vaccines were completely effective, that there were NO break through events, that would be a reason, along with the other reasons, to consider vaccination.
5 – Necessity. This is a big one and one that gets debated A LOT. Are vaccines necessary? It kind of goes with #4 and #3. Let’s just stick with the measles, shall we? Now, I’ve never had the measles, so I cannot speak from personal experience. My father had them and he said, and I quote “It sucked. Big time.” Of course, this was in the middle of a vaccine discussion so… not sure what his response would have been if I vaccinated and just asked in passing, but there you have it. Here’s what the CDC says about measles (http://www.cdc.gov/measles/):
Measles is a highly contagious respiratory disease caused by a virus. The disease of measles and the virus that causes it share the same name. The disease is also called rubeola.
Measles causes fever, runny nose, cough and a rash all over the body. About one out of 10 children with measles also gets an ear infection, and up to one out of 20 gets pneumonia. For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die.
So, most get a fever, runny rose, cough and rash which is uncomfortable, but not life threatening in and of itself.
~ 10% get ear infections
~ 8% get diarrhea (this number is found on a different page on the CDC’s site)
Up to 5% get pneumonia
~ 0.1% get encephalitis (this number is found on a different page on the CDC’s site)
0.1% – 0.2% die
The point is, the majority who get the measles will be ill and uncomfortable for a few weeks, and that’s it. Yes, people do die from it. People die from walking across the street as well, but we don’t prevent people from walking across streets.
In developing countries, where malnutrition and vitamin A deficiency are common, measles has been known to kill as many as one out of four people.
While this is much higher than the other rate, there’s a difference that should be noted. Malnutrition and Vitamin A deficiency. This would lead to an argument that those the most at risk from the measles are those who are malnourished or vitamin deficient (Vitamin A is found in leafy greens and fruits and vegetables that are yellow in color).
The CDC’s stance is “Vaccines save lives”. The graphs shown on my previous post (https://lboosmommy.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/the-big-bad-vaccine-post/) show that mortality rates from diseases were already on the decline before vaccination. Pro-vaccination people like to point to the CDC’s graphs which are INFECTION RATE graphs. I’m not saying that the infection rate is completely unimportant, I’m just saying that if the CDC wants to emphasize the “saving lives” part, why are they merely showing the infection rate graphs instead of showing the mortality rate graphs? That goes with that indirectly lying thing.
I’m starting to ramble (hence the name of this blog, lol), so, quick recap. I don’t vaccinate because of religious reasons.
Yes, I might consider vaccinating if I could get vaccines that don’t have abortions attached to their history, if everyone injected knew exactly what was in their vaccines, and if all ingredients had been independently researched as to their safely and necessity.
One last thing I get asked is about school for my children. ALL states allow for medical exemptions, all but two allow for religious exemptions and many allow for ‘philosophical’ exemptions. In short, YES, YOU CAN ENROLL YOUR CHILDREN IN SCHOOL WITHOUT VACCINATIONS. My son is enrolled in the school here in Japan under a religious exemption. If there is an incidence of a “vaccine preventable” disease such as Chicken Pox, he may be required to stay home until is passes. NOT because they think he caused it, but to protect him from contracting the disease.
I do have a post specifically about military exemptions including the regulations regarding them, here: https://lboosmommy.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/military-vaccine-exemptions-for-children/
This is the question I get asked the most when people find out we’re moving to Japan. The answer is always the same:
“I’m excited and terrified.” For many, they understand this answer 100%. But there are always those who wonder about the ‘terrified’ portion.
“Why terrified?” is the question. My first answer is usually something like “Why am I terrified to be moving to a *foreign country*?” The ‘foreign country’ emphasis usually takes care of some of the questioners. For others they still don’t understand. When I explain that we’re moving to ASIA not Europe, that can take care of a few more. But still there are those that don’t quite get it. So, here goes.
If we were not moving overseas, there would be less worry, but still some. There’s always a bit of uncertainty when moving to a new place. Less if moving somewhere you’ve lived before, but still, things change.
When moving overseas, there’s always the novelty of a new currency, new culture, and sometimes a new language, a new way to drive, and simply not looking local.
A few years ago, before we got our orders to go to Utah, we had orders to go to Lakenheath AB in England. At the time we would have been moving with a 3 month old and a not quite 2 year old. We were terrified even though there was no new language to learn. We got used to the idea and then the orders were changed. Now, in England, we wouldn’t stick out as foreigners very much because the language is English and we look like we belong. Yes, the currency is different and they drive on the left side, but with a very small language barrier and physically looking like we belong, those are small things.
Other places in Europe outside the UK, there’s still a currency difference, but we look like we belong and they drive on the right side of the road. Added to that though is a language difference. But, people wouldn’t immediately look at us and go “oh, foreigners”.
Moving to Asia, there are ALL of the changes. We don’t look Japanese, we don’t speak Japanese, they drive on the left, the culture is very different, as is the currency. In SOME ways, the fact that we look like what we are, foreigners, I can hope will work to our advantage a little. I imagine there are three basic thoughts when encountering Americans in Asia.
1: Oh, they’re just silly Americans, they don’t know any better, lol.
2: Stupid arrogant Americans…
3: Something somewhere in between.
These are all large generalizations, which I don’t like to make, but seem to be inevitable in my mind. So, my ‘terror’ comes from not fitting in and being uncomfortable while I don’t. I’ll never fit in 100%, just a fact of life, but I don’t want to be seen as the “stupid arrogant American” for any longer than absolutely necessary. Because of the base, I understand that most businesses around are kind of used to the Americans and it’s not too big a deal, but still.
On Facebook, there is a group called Misawa Asks. It’s purpose is for those who live at Misawa to ask where to find things, etc. and for those who are moving to Misawa to ask questions as well. One of the questions I see a lot is “Does anyone at ____ (store) speak English?” In one way, it’s nice that there are places where someone does speak English, but at the same time, I am uncomfortable with the idea that there is almost an assumption that there SHOULD be someone that does. It’s like the idea here that places should have someone that speaks Spanish. It makes me uncomfortable and grateful at the same time. I know I will be grateful for those places with someone that speaks at least a little English until I get more comfortable with Japanese, but I don’t want to be seen as someone who EXPECTS someone at a store to speak English, if that makes sense. This is the basis for my stress about the language barrier. I want to get out and see things and shop locally, but I don’t want to be a nuisance either.
In many ways the cultural differences go hand in hand with the language fears. I don’t want to do something that will show disrespect AT ALL. I know that initially I probably will and that for the most part it will be seen as in #1 above (Silly American as opposed to Stupid Arrogant American), but it still makes me nervous.
Currency and driving I’m really not that worried about. Different money is different money and I’ve dealt with it before (Canada and Jamaica). The driving has a little fear for me, but it’s VERY small. My mind seems to mirror pretty easily for some reason. We’ll see
One thing that DOES NOT worry me is the availability of certain items. Again and again the other question I see on Misawa Asks is “Where can I find ___”. This can be anything from a certain brand of something to craft supplies. My basic thought on these kind of things is that no matter what other differences, Americans and Japanese are all HUMAN BEINGS. We all have the same basic wants and needs. We all need to clean ourselves and our homes, we just may have different ways to do it. Can’t find your specific brand of shampoo? I’m sure there is something in Japan that will work just as well. We all have books, toys, electronics, etc., we just may have different ideas on how to store them, etc. So, adapt! We all have hobbies. If you can’t find what you need to do your favourite hobby, see if there’s something else around that you can enjoy, although maybe not as much, or learn something new!
One last thing though. There ARE times I 100% agree with some of the grumbling. At the moment, there is an on-base first policy. This means that if you are single and of a rank E-4 or below, OR if you are of any rank and here with family, you MUST first accept on-base housing. The only people who have the option of living off base are SINGLE people of the rank E-5 and above (I *think* that you can also live off base on your own $$$. You do NOT receive the housing allowance for this, so one would have to have some means to acquire that extra income). This means we are also limited to home services that are on base. For TV this is Allied Telesis, for phone and internet this is Verizon. Verizon has a contract with the military to be the ONLY provider on base for internet. Problem is that the speeds are not always what they should be. They say that the DSL speed is ___mbps, but MANY experience MUCH lower speeds that what is advertised. It seems that Verizon doesn’t care that they’re not upholding their end of the contract, and the military doesn’t care either. IMO, if Verizon isn’t honoring their side of the contract, that contract should be null and void and allow another company to try. Allied Telesis has internet service at other bases in Japan and are working on a bid for when the Verizon contract is up (I believe in 2014). So, that is a “this sucks about living here” complaint that I 100% agree is valid, only because the option is to deal with the lousy speeds or not have internet access at all.
So, again, in short, YES! we are excited to move to Japan, but, yes, we have concerns simply because it will be SUCH a new experience. I will try to remember to post once in a while about how we’re adapting, how the kids are doing, what new things we’re learning, etc. Until then:
(sayonara = goodbye)
first off, thank you to Dr. Seuss for the title
Crap. I haven’t written in a long time which means I need to play catch-up.
School – we took a break over the holidays and haven’t done a lot since. There are many reasons for this. 1) Over the holidays we got some interesting news – we’re moving to Japan! More on that in a moment. 2) The schools at the base in Japan are supposed to be quite good so we’ve decided to enroll both kidlets (K for Eion and PreK for Emma) and see how it goes.
Now, does that mean we’ve done no school whatsoever? Nope, just not a lot of structured. The kids do activities here and there and they learn from the world around them. Eion consistently wants to read a book himself at night time instead of being read to. Waiting for various things I pull up educational apps on the iPad or the kids’ Nook and they do those. But, with planning to move and other life, just too much going on to sit down and plan, so on the fly it is.
Japan – yep, you heard right! We will be arriving in Japan in early March. We’re going to Misawa which is in the norther part of the main island. We drove to Disneyland this past fall. I made the kids binders with activities in sheet protectors and they used dry-erase crayons so they could be reused. I will be doing the same thing for the airplane as we have a 2 hour plane from here to Seattle, and then a 10 hour flight from Seattle to Japan. I don’t really foresee any issues as the kids were incredibly easy to drive with on our 2 day drive to and from Disney. I’ll also probably pack a work book in each of their backpacks and any others in their luggage since we’ll be without the majority of our things for up to 3 months.
Actually, it’s that more than anything that prompted this post. I’ve gathered a lot of ideas on Pinterest, but I’m always ready for MORE! What do you do to occupy your kids on the plane (besides hoping they’ll sleep the whole way, lol)?
I also have another question:
When it comes to snacks on the plane, there seems to be 3 types of thoughts:
Kids usually eat healthy and they bring healthy snacks
Kids usually eat healthy but they bring whatever snacks will keep the kids happy, nutrition doesn’t play much role
Kids eat not so healthy and that trend continues
There doesn’t seem to be anyone where the kids usually kind of eat crap and parents opt for healthy snacks on a flight. Can’t imagine why….
Fortunately I think we kind of belong somewhere between the first two. Or more so, our kids eat a mix and I can bring a mix and keep them happy. My kids truly love apples and carrots so I can bring those healthy items and the kids will also love them. But they do also love fruit snacks which aren’t necessarily as healthy, but will keep them happy. I can also bring Cheerios and string so they’ll happily string the Cheerios on the string and have an activity, but then also eat the Cheerios when they’re done with that.
So, the question part is – what are your thought on plane snacks? Healthy or happy (if you have to make that choice)?
Eion is in Kindergarten this year. For his curriculum we are using:
Core – K4, Confessions of a Homeschooler
Math – MathUSee Primer
Spelling – All About Spelling (I hope to add All About Reading as well, but that may not happen this year); also using things from Christian Preschool Printables as they apply, and bulletins from Children’s Worship Bulletins as they apply.
Bible – Grapevine Studies (Introduction to the New Testament, Beginner level)
Art – World’s Greatest Artists, Confessions of a Homeschooler (we’ll be picking and choosing what we do a lot)
Geography – Road Trip USA, Confessions of a Homeschooler
Science – Road Trip Animals (Confessions of a Homeschooler) and various science experiments / kits
Emma is my Preschooler this year. For her ‘curriculum’ we are using:
Core – Letter of the Week & K4, Confessions of a Homeschooler
Math – K4, Confessions of a Homeschooler
Spelling – She’ll be doing activities from All About Spelling, as appropriate
Bible – She’ll be doing Grapevine Studies (Introduction to the New Testament, Beginner level); also using things from Christian Preschool Printables as they apply, and bulletins from Children’s Worship Bulletins as they apply.
Art – World’s Greatest Artists, Confessions of a Homeschooler (we’ll be picking and choosing what we do a lot)
Geography – Road Trip USA, Confessions of a Homeschooler
Science – Road Trip Animals (Confessions of a Homeschooler) and various science experiments / kits
I just purchased the last of Eion’s curriculum! We plan on starting the day after Labor Day, as it was when I was growing up. None of this mid-August stuff
So, here is what we’ll be using, for those that are curious.
Math – Math U See – Primer – I think some of this will be too easy, but we’ll start with it anyway. If it’s really too easy, we’ll use it for Emma when she’s ready and purchase Alpha instead.
Spelling / Reading – All About Learning – All About Spelling Level 1
Bible Studies – Grapevine Bible Studies – Introduction to the New Testament
Art – World’s Greatest Artist Vol. 1
Science – Road Trip USA Animals for ‘Life Science’, various science experiments and kits for ‘other’ science.
Geography – Road Trip USA
Core / Other – Various ideas found around, plus revisting some of the K4 Curriculum we used last year and using some of the stuff we didn’t do at all last year.
A few of the things above I purchased last year or are / were free. Purchased this year were the first three – math, spelling and bible.
I’ve also re-organized my Pinterest boards a bit, so if you chose to follow individual boards instead of following me (good idea if all you want are education pins since I pin about a lot of other stuff too, lol), here are the new boards:
Kids School – Numbers / Math
Kids School – Letters / Reading
Kids School – Science
Kids School Stuff (things that don’t fit into one of the above categories but are still activities for them to do)
(this is the old board, so if you followed the boards before you already have this one)
Teacher School Stuff (organization, etc., anything that isn’t an activity for the kids, but more something for ME to do)
Also, the old ones:
Busy Bag Ideas
And as some of these ideas will easily carry over to future Olympics:
While we’ve mostly taken a break for the summer, I couldn’t pass up the opportunity for the kids to have a bit of an Olympics experience.
I have downloaded some themed materials from 3 Dinosaurs. Also some random coloring pages I’ve found other places. Most of what I’ve found and may use I’ve pinned here, including some of the random crafts we will likely do:
Olympics on Pinterest
First up and ready to go is Medals counting / charting:
Basically, we all picked a country to be ‘ours’ for the Olympics. No one was allowed to pick the USA, however we are still charting the USA’s medals. I picked France, Brandon picked Germany, and then I picked Great Britain and Italy and the kids picked which one they wanted. Eion picked GB and Emma was okay with getting Italy, lol. We’ll check the medal counts at the end of each day and mark the charts. Whoever’s team gets the most medals will get a certificate. Nothing too exciting, but kind of fun. I’m hoping this will be a tradition that can continue on for future Olympics. Those ‘in the know’ will also notice that all 5 countries we’re charting do happen to usually have a good number of medals.
A close up of the chart. I found the chart itself here. I added the country button from standard Microsoft Word clip art, the country name is made from the alphabet found here, and the page border was added from here. Then I colored in the words before printing.
As we actually work through some of the materials I’ve decided to use I’ll try to remember to take pictures. Many of the materials can be altered or reused for the next Olympics in 2014 (winter) or, with less altering, in 2016 (summer). Of course, by then, I’m sure there will be more materials out there again.
A little boy was having difficulty lifting a heavy stone.
His father came along just then.
Noting the boy’s failure, he asked, “Are you using all your strength?”
“Yes, I am,” the little boy said impatiently.
“No, you are not,” the father answered. “I am right here just waiting, and you haven’t asked me to help you.”
In light of that, in the off chance that someone is waiting to be asked, here’s the request.
This coming school year we will officially be working on kindergarten with Eion! He’ll be 5 in October and as such misses the cut off for public / charter / private schools here by 6 weeks. So, instead of telling him “you’re not allowed to learn that because you’re 6 weeks too young” we will be homeschooling. Big surprise, right? I’m excited!
With that, while I have found some thrifty ways to accomplish this, it’s looking like it will be about $350 for all the items I would like to have. This includes books and manipulates to cover Core subjects, Spelling & Phonics, Math, Geography (already have this), Art (already have this too), & Bible. There is an add on for a science kit subscription that we may also look into for an additional $15 or so a month.
Now, please understand, IT IS NOT THAT I CANNOT AFFORD THIS. We WILL figure it out by purchasing things a little at a time as needed. This is simply a request saying “hey, here it is.”
Here is an Amazon Wish List of the items I am looking to purchase. As I do purchase items I will update this list so this list should (hah) always be current with what I have left to purchase:
I’m 99% sure that since all items are not actually available on Amazon, that the whole ‘send it to the Wish List address’ won’t work. So, if anyone is truly interested in donating any of these items, leave me a comment and I would be happy to discuss it with you more!
In addition, I have added a PayPal Donation link. I’m sure this will lose me some readers, but, again, it’s there just in case
If by chance you have any of the curriculum I am looking at in good used condition, I would also like to discuss that with you!